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		<title>By: pastry chef</title>
		<link>http://www.marcuswestbury.net/2010/01/22/internet-censorship-and-the-arts/comment-page-1/#comment-2892</link>
		<dc:creator>pastry chef</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Mar 2011 18:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like something the U.S. would do.</description>
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		<title>By: Fuck Censorship &#171; Musing of a Madman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fuck Censorship &#171; Musing of a Madman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 23:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: marcus</title>
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		<dc:creator>marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 01:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for the long delay in replying. Moved house and just got the internet back on yesterday. 

Now sure exactly how to tackle the issue. To me the best way to do it is to go to the backbench -- all the MPs that need to vote for the thing -- and explain to them the absurdity of the proposal. I don&#039;t see that it is going to be won by protest or outrage but more through explaining the poor ratio of cost (in money, time, reputation) to effectiveness (bugger all) of the scheme. 

That&#039;s probably where i&#039;d start but i&#039;m spread a little too thinly to do anything other than contact the local members that i know and have dealings with - i&#039;m part way through that process at the moment. 

Happy to be involved in campaigns of most kinds though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for the long delay in replying. Moved house and just got the internet back on yesterday. </p>
<p>Now sure exactly how to tackle the issue. To me the best way to do it is to go to the backbench &#8212; all the MPs that need to vote for the thing &#8212; and explain to them the absurdity of the proposal. I don&#8217;t see that it is going to be won by protest or outrage but more through explaining the poor ratio of cost (in money, time, reputation) to effectiveness (bugger all) of the scheme. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s probably where i&#8217;d start but i&#8217;m spread a little too thinly to do anything other than contact the local members that i know and have dealings with &#8211; i&#8217;m part way through that process at the moment. </p>
<p>Happy to be involved in campaigns of most kinds though.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Wolstencroft</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Wolstencroft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Alison and posters here,

What is to be done, is indeed the question!

I feel some kind of organized resistance to this is required. 

It would probably need to be similar to the fight you Alison so valiantly were involved in to defend talented local artist Bill Henson. I&#039;m not sure how that defense was organized but getting a few celebrities on board, organizing a collective of like minded members of the arts and film community to speak out on this and to write to various mInisters on behalf of whatever group is formed, etc., is a great idea and a good start.

As I have stated I am more than happy to lend my networks and that of MUFF to this cause. I think you and Marcus could be excellent spokes people for this fight being articulate and well respected with maybe a celeb or two thrown in to grab the Murdoch and Fairfax papers attention.

The issues involved are complex and so is the blanket defense of the no clean feed internet involved in opposing the filter. But it is necessary fight.

There is a site here : http://nocleanfeed.com/

This site aims to fight this. 

Maybe a group of us can join forces? Get the major film and arts people, groups, blogs and festivals involved and who knows what we might be able to achieve. Even the attempt could create interesting synergies, discussions and cross pollinations.

Lets get something started!

Best Regards

Richard Wolstencroft
MUFF Director
www.muff.com.au</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Alison and posters here,</p>
<p>What is to be done, is indeed the question!</p>
<p>I feel some kind of organized resistance to this is required. </p>
<p>It would probably need to be similar to the fight you Alison so valiantly were involved in to defend talented local artist Bill Henson. I&#8217;m not sure how that defense was organized but getting a few celebrities on board, organizing a collective of like minded members of the arts and film community to speak out on this and to write to various mInisters on behalf of whatever group is formed, etc., is a great idea and a good start.</p>
<p>As I have stated I am more than happy to lend my networks and that of MUFF to this cause. I think you and Marcus could be excellent spokes people for this fight being articulate and well respected with maybe a celeb or two thrown in to grab the Murdoch and Fairfax papers attention.</p>
<p>The issues involved are complex and so is the blanket defense of the no clean feed internet involved in opposing the filter. But it is necessary fight.</p>
<p>There is a site here : <a href="http://nocleanfeed.com/" rel="nofollow">http://nocleanfeed.com/</a></p>
<p>This site aims to fight this. </p>
<p>Maybe a group of us can join forces? Get the major film and arts people, groups, blogs and festivals involved and who knows what we might be able to achieve. Even the attempt could create interesting synergies, discussions and cross pollinations.</p>
<p>Lets get something started!</p>
<p>Best Regards</p>
<p>Richard Wolstencroft<br />
MUFF Director<br />
<a href="http://www.muff.com.au" rel="nofollow">http://www.muff.com.au</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael Heuvel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Heuvel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>when i posted responce 9 there was a message saying 
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it made me laugh and think that it smells a little like censorship 
;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>when i posted responce 9 there was a message saying<br />
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<p>it made me laugh and think that it smells a little like censorship<br />
 <img src='http://www.marcuswestbury.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Michael Heuvel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Heuvel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Alison as a artist myself that often meets censorship , (we paint critical paintings of amongst China see www.atm-art.com ) I can tell you that artist can be rather creative , mirror sites would become a option for those in Australia , that can not write or paint or in other way express them self with out feeling censorship. Tunnelling  for those that would like to look outside the filter. the way it works is that you have a small program on your computer that will connect to a server outside AU , some will encrypt the feed others not , but the point is that you will be able to see / read whatever you want. This is one of the most used programs in China as youtube , facebook etc etc are blocked . 

This means that the filter is not going to work , This will also mean that most people will not care about this censorship as they can get easy around it and it will not effect them . 
and thus you will loose some basic human rights , bad luck nothing to do about it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Alison as a artist myself that often meets censorship , (we paint critical paintings of amongst China see <a href="http://www.atm-art.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.atm-art.com</a> ) I can tell you that artist can be rather creative , mirror sites would become a option for those in Australia , that can not write or paint or in other way express them self with out feeling censorship. Tunnelling  for those that would like to look outside the filter. the way it works is that you have a small program on your computer that will connect to a server outside AU , some will encrypt the feed others not , but the point is that you will be able to see / read whatever you want. This is one of the most used programs in China as youtube , facebook etc etc are blocked . </p>
<p>This means that the filter is not going to work , This will also mean that most people will not care about this censorship as they can get easy around it and it will not effect them .<br />
and thus you will loose some basic human rights , bad luck nothing to do about it</p>
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		<title>By: Alison Croggon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alison Croggon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 05:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emma, thanks for the snark. So, if an artist does resist anything, it doesn&#039;t matter anyway, because who notices? Damned if you don&#039;t, even more damned if you do. 

Given there&#039;s some basis to your cynicism when you speak of the so-called &quot;creative community&quot;, a media invention if ever there were one: enough sometimes to make me want to emigrate. But dismissing what resistances exist is both blind and self-defeating. It makes Andrew Bolt more in touch with the arts than you are.

Yes, Richard, with you there. But how?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emma, thanks for the snark. So, if an artist does resist anything, it doesn&#8217;t matter anyway, because who notices? Damned if you don&#8217;t, even more damned if you do. </p>
<p>Given there&#8217;s some basis to your cynicism when you speak of the so-called &#8220;creative community&#8221;, a media invention if ever there were one: enough sometimes to make me want to emigrate. But dismissing what resistances exist is both blind and self-defeating. It makes Andrew Bolt more in touch with the arts than you are.</p>
<p>Yes, Richard, with you there. But how?</p>
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		<title>By: Response to Marcus Westbury on the Oz Internet Filter &#171; Idea Fix &#8211; The Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Response to Marcus Westbury on the Oz Internet Filter &#171; Idea Fix &#8211; The Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 03:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] January 22, 2010   Marcus Westbury wrote this bemoaning the Australian internet filter. See here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] January 22, 2010   Marcus Westbury wrote this bemoaning the Australian internet filter. See here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Gloom Sydney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gloom Sydney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 03:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe they&#039;ll listen to Hillary?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/20/hillary-clinton-internet-freedom-speech</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe they&#8217;ll listen to Hillary?<br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/20/hillary-clinton-internet-freedom-speech" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/20/hillary-clinton-internet-freedom-speech</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Rennie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Rennie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 03:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There has been nothing so far to indicate that Conroy going to budge. Clearly he has Rudd&#039;s full support. The points raised against the filter are unlikely to get much sympathy in populist land.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There has been nothing so far to indicate that Conroy going to budge. Clearly he has Rudd&#8217;s full support. The points raised against the filter are unlikely to get much sympathy in populist land.</p>
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