Comments on: How the Internet filtering trial works and fails (via my brother) http://www.marcuswestbury.net/2009/12/16/how-the-internet-filtering-trial-works-and-fails-via-my-brother/ my life. on the internets. Wed, 08 Feb 2012 21:10:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: john http://www.marcuswestbury.net/2009/12/16/how-the-internet-filtering-trial-works-and-fails-via-my-brother/comment-page-1/#comment-1101 john Sun, 07 Feb 2010 05:51:10 +0000 http://www.marcuswestbury.net/?p=822#comment-1101 wondering -have you had a chance to ask your brother, as to what he thinks the' actual' scheme is meant for; is it just a piece of posture, aimed at the mug punters or what? wondering -have you had a chance to ask your brother, as to what he thinks the’ actual’ scheme is meant for; is it just a piece of posture, aimed at the mug punters or what?

]]> By: john http://www.marcuswestbury.net/2009/12/16/how-the-internet-filtering-trial-works-and-fails-via-my-brother/comment-page-1/#comment-974 john Thu, 17 Dec 2009 23:22:30 +0000 http://www.marcuswestbury.net/?p=822#comment-974 so, will it all : fall in a heap, Or be a pointless & expensive(but harmless) sop to moral panic Or.......?? What dos your brother think so, will it all : fall in a heap,
Or be a pointless & expensive(but harmless) sop to moral panic
Or…….??
What dos your brother think

]]> By: Stuart Westbury http://www.marcuswestbury.net/2009/12/16/how-the-internet-filtering-trial-works-and-fails-via-my-brother/comment-page-1/#comment-971 Stuart Westbury Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:45:46 +0000 http://www.marcuswestbury.net/?p=822#comment-971 Hi John, It's really hard to say how much it will slow things down because the report is incomplete. I personally get 15 megabits at my house and these trials used a maximum of 8. The NBN will apparently aim to supply 100! It's very hard to tell with such a flawed trail. Another thing to take into account was how small the uptake was. One of the participating ISP's was Nelson Bay Online who are hardly a giant in the industry. They had a whopping 15 users opt in to the trial. I could also filter 15 users at 8 megabits and my graphs would look fantastic. This is a question of scale and when we are talking about something national, there will undoubtedly be issues. Some filtering tech - like pass by filtering - will possibly have a minimal impact but will also be the easiest to bypass. In my opinion, the more successful systems like DPI are just not possible on such a scale. I don't believe this will be anywhere near as bad as the great firewall of China. The Chinese do a lot more. They hijack DNS servers. They claim servers that exist externally on the internet. This technique is quite effective but is a much heavier approach. They also block complete subnets of internet address space as well as the type of filtering the Rudd government wants to implement. The scariest thing about the Chinese system is that they have companies like Yahoo and Google on side. These companies work with the Chinese government to create versions of these search engines that filter undesirable keywords. As pretty much any Chinese activist or teenager will tell you though, it's still pretty easy to get out. Hi John,

It’s really hard to say how much it will slow things down because the report is incomplete. I personally get 15 megabits at my house and these trials used a maximum of 8. The NBN will apparently aim to supply 100! It’s very hard to tell with such a flawed trail.

Another thing to take into account was how small the uptake was. One of the participating ISP’s was Nelson Bay Online who are hardly a giant in the industry. They had a whopping 15 users opt in to the trial. I could also filter 15 users at 8 megabits and my graphs would look fantastic. This is a question of scale and when we are talking about something national, there will undoubtedly be issues.

Some filtering tech – like pass by filtering – will possibly have a minimal impact but will also be the easiest to bypass. In my opinion, the more successful systems like DPI are just not possible on such a scale.

I don’t believe this will be anywhere near as bad as the great firewall of China. The Chinese do a lot more. They hijack DNS servers. They claim servers that exist externally on the internet.
This technique is quite effective but is a much heavier approach. They also block complete subnets of internet address space as well as the type of filtering the Rudd government wants to implement.

The scariest thing about the Chinese system is that they have companies like Yahoo and Google on side. These companies work with the Chinese government to create versions of these search engines that filter undesirable keywords.

As pretty much any Chinese activist or teenager will tell you though, it’s still pretty easy to get out.

]]> By: john http://www.marcuswestbury.net/2009/12/16/how-the-internet-filtering-trial-works-and-fails-via-my-brother/comment-page-1/#comment-968 john Wed, 16 Dec 2009 22:39:45 +0000 http://www.marcuswestbury.net/?p=822#comment-968 Question for your brother, by how much will this slow up the web? And how dos it all compare to say chinas web censorship? Question for your brother, by how much will this slow up the web? And how dos it all compare to say chinas web censorship?

]]> By: Kevin Rennie http://www.marcuswestbury.net/2009/12/16/how-the-internet-filtering-trial-works-and-fails-via-my-brother/comment-page-1/#comment-965 Kevin Rennie Wed, 16 Dec 2009 06:48:56 +0000 http://www.marcuswestbury.net/?p=822#comment-965 The nature of the restricted Content is a greater worry tahn the technology. My analysis is at the link. The nature of the restricted Content is a greater worry tahn the technology. My analysis is at the link.

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