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		<title>By: Mike Mullins: THE POLITICS OF CHANGE &#171; 5TH WALL</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Mullins: THE POLITICS OF CHANGE &#171; 5TH WALL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 22:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] now through forums like facebook and Peter Garrett&#8217;s recent National Cultural Policy website. Marcus Westbury&#8217;s been not-so-quietly questioning our cultural priorities for a while now, but many of the current [...]</description>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 07:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The comments above should really have gone under

Crowdsourcing a cultural policy? --Meee culpa</description>
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<p>Crowdsourcing a cultural policy? &#8211;Meee culpa</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 02:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just a wee bit more, 
a scheme where the money invested in it is the scheme&#039;s only income is a Ponzi scheme.
 Any art scheme where  people are effectively  paid to be the audience supplying support /income to the scheme is as unsustainable as any other sort of ponzi scheme</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just a wee bit more,<br />
a scheme where the money invested in it is the scheme&#8217;s only income is a Ponzi scheme.<br />
 Any art scheme where  people are effectively  paid to be the audience supplying support /income to the scheme is as unsustainable as any other sort of ponzi scheme</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 01:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>marcus   
Such  is the worrying  complexity of  management of the funded visual arts sector it is  is near impossible to say : where the money actually  gos to  or  how much money, in total,  is involved. 
One  visible truth is ; the funded sector produces a lot of consultations, a lot of reports  , a lot of recommendations for more funding-for..... more....., To little  visible result. 

 There is quite a lot of federal money going around in the funded visual arts sector but a lot of of it  ,about 10 to 1, gos to the costs of the worrying costs of the complexity of Organisations in the field. To give one example;The Myer report resulted in the allocation  of a fair bit of funding through the VACS program . But typically ,of its roughly $15 million total per/annum  ,$13 million is paid to Organisations. Some organisations do a good job but the organisation sector has over the past decade bred to about the limit of avaliable resources and in the process has damaged the carrying capacity of the land. There are an awful lot of organisations out there .

 I think this has happened because  the  Question :
What exactly is  public art funding  for--- what is its purpose? Has  for decades, been a very  conflicted question.
 Without clarity as to purpose, good design  is impossible- it inevitably will go round in  circles   attempting the instrumental implementation of purposes that are  fatally  contradictory and thus  impossible to make real .

 The history of Art is in many ways the history of the audiences.

I think the  conflicting positions as to the purpose of public arts funding policy are something like this
 Is:
The purpose of  funding is to  create new art/artforms  by creating a demand; a audience that otherwise would not exist  ,  an sort of modern day aristocratic  patron? 
Or
Is it&#039;s purpose to improve and instruct the publics taste,-- is it aimed at producing education so as to create new audiences that currently don&#039;t exist .. &#039;audience development&#039;?
Or
 is its purpose one of a follower of both art and audiences- helper/augmentor and not a leader at all?

I would put the basic conflict  about purpose as  something like this;
Is the purpose of arts funding that of leadership :setting directions and standards?
 or
Is its role to be one of follower  of art &amp; audiences, a role of  helping/ augmenting the development of artforms that  to some degree already have audiences that are really independent of the funded field?

This conflict gos right back to the 80s and the beginnings of &#039;art industry&#039; policy. It got very hot in the 90s and has gone on ever since. 
 It obviously has a  ideological  base, the mainstream of Australian poltical culture is  freemarket .
On the otherhand many in  the funded field  see their role as one of supplying leadership setting standards and educating the public about advanced art.
 This conflict as to primary purpose has been going around in circles for decades and has resulted in it doing neither purpose well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>marcus<br />
Such  is the worrying  complexity of  management of the funded visual arts sector it is  is near impossible to say : where the money actually  gos to  or  how much money, in total,  is involved.<br />
One  visible truth is ; the funded sector produces a lot of consultations, a lot of reports  , a lot of recommendations for more funding-for&#8230;.. more&#8230;.., To little  visible result. </p>
<p> There is quite a lot of federal money going around in the funded visual arts sector but a lot of of it  ,about 10 to 1, gos to the costs of the worrying costs of the complexity of Organisations in the field. To give one example;The Myer report resulted in the allocation  of a fair bit of funding through the VACS program . But typically ,of its roughly $15 million total per/annum  ,$13 million is paid to Organisations. Some organisations do a good job but the organisation sector has over the past decade bred to about the limit of avaliable resources and in the process has damaged the carrying capacity of the land. There are an awful lot of organisations out there .</p>
<p> I think this has happened because  the  Question :<br />
What exactly is  public art funding  for&#8212; what is its purpose? Has  for decades, been a very  conflicted question.<br />
 Without clarity as to purpose, good design  is impossible- it inevitably will go round in  circles   attempting the instrumental implementation of purposes that are  fatally  contradictory and thus  impossible to make real .</p>
<p> The history of Art is in many ways the history of the audiences.</p>
<p>I think the  conflicting positions as to the purpose of public arts funding policy are something like this<br />
 Is:<br />
The purpose of  funding is to  create new art/artforms  by creating a demand; a audience that otherwise would not exist  ,  an sort of modern day aristocratic  patron?<br />
Or<br />
Is it&#8217;s purpose to improve and instruct the publics taste,&#8211; is it aimed at producing education so as to create new audiences that currently don&#8217;t exist .. &#8216;audience development&#8217;?<br />
Or<br />
 is its purpose one of a follower of both art and audiences- helper/augmentor and not a leader at all?</p>
<p>I would put the basic conflict  about purpose as  something like this;<br />
Is the purpose of arts funding that of leadership :setting directions and standards?<br />
 or<br />
Is its role to be one of follower  of art &amp; audiences, a role of  helping/ augmenting the development of artforms that  to some degree already have audiences that are really independent of the funded field?</p>
<p>This conflict gos right back to the 80s and the beginnings of &#8216;art industry&#8217; policy. It got very hot in the 90s and has gone on ever since.<br />
 It obviously has a  ideological  base, the mainstream of Australian poltical culture is  freemarket .<br />
On the otherhand many in  the funded field  see their role as one of supplying leadership setting standards and educating the public about advanced art.<br />
 This conflict as to primary purpose has been going around in circles for decades and has resulted in it doing neither purpose well.</p>
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		<title>By: How transparent is the Australia Council&#8217;s Annual Report? &#171; A Cultural Policy Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.marcuswestbury.net/2009/11/06/where-australias-arts-funding-goes/comment-page-1/#comment-903</link>
		<dc:creator>How transparent is the Australia Council&#8217;s Annual Report? &#171; A Cultural Policy Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 05:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] at Marcus Westbury&#8217;s blog, he&#8217;s posted a graph breakdown of the Australia Council&#8217;s funding by artform category, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: marcus</title>
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		<dc:creator>marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 05:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ian. You&#039;re partially right, although the major visual arts organisations, libraries and museums do not receive major funding from the Australia Council -- they are mostly state government funded or occasionally through other parts of the Federal Government. 


However, my larger argument -- which is that administratively heavy heritage arts are disproportionately favoured over the new, the low cost and the innovative -- is actually even more obvious when the you start to include the major collecting instituions. 


Last time i looked, the NGV recieved funding levels that were greater than pretty much ALL of the initiatives for living artists in Victoria COMBINED -- regardless of artform. 


My point is not to specfically criticise Orchestras and Opera, but rather to argue that funding patterns have become self reinforcing -- creating bad fedback loops. Beauracracies that are large enough to be funded are learge enough to lobby for more funding and have been very successful at doing so. The atomised world where people actually make stuff has simply drifted off the radar and is rarely funded or even invited to participate in the policy process. 


If you want to see the argument articulated in more detail, check out the Meanjin essay linked to above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ian. You&#8217;re partially right, although the major visual arts organisations, libraries and museums do not receive major funding from the Australia Council &#8212; they are mostly state government funded or occasionally through other parts of the Federal Government. </p>
<p>However, my larger argument &#8212; which is that administratively heavy heritage arts are disproportionately favoured over the new, the low cost and the innovative &#8212; is actually even more obvious when the you start to include the major collecting instituions. </p>
<p>Last time i looked, the NGV recieved funding levels that were greater than pretty much ALL of the initiatives for living artists in Victoria COMBINED &#8212; regardless of artform. </p>
<p>My point is not to specfically criticise Orchestras and Opera, but rather to argue that funding patterns have become self reinforcing &#8212; creating bad fedback loops. Beauracracies that are large enough to be funded are learge enough to lobby for more funding and have been very successful at doing so. The atomised world where people actually make stuff has simply drifted off the radar and is rarely funded or even invited to participate in the policy process. </p>
<p>If you want to see the argument articulated in more detail, check out the Meanjin essay linked to above.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Rogers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 04:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason orchestras come out looking like the big winners is that, unlike other costly things such as the NGA, Australian Museum etc, they have to get their government funding through the Australia Council.  In reality, the main symphony orchestras in Australia are not too different from the major state-owned institutions - it is a matter of Government policy that we should have them. However, when they were separated from the ABC, they were set up as corporations. So unlike the NGA etc that get their Government funds directly through a Federal budget. appropriation, these bodies need to &quot;apply&quot; for Oz Co and State arts grant funding.  To get a fair picture of where Oz Co funding goes, either add in the budget funds to NGA, NLA, Australian Museum etc - or - take out the funding provided to each State Symphony Orchestra.  If you wanted to look at State arts budgets, you would need to do the same thing. Each state will support some of its big institutions directly through their budgets while other &quot;institutions&quot; like state operas and orchestras need to get their funding as grants through the State arts funding body.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason orchestras come out looking like the big winners is that, unlike other costly things such as the NGA, Australian Museum etc, they have to get their government funding through the Australia Council.  In reality, the main symphony orchestras in Australia are not too different from the major state-owned institutions &#8211; it is a matter of Government policy that we should have them. However, when they were separated from the ABC, they were set up as corporations. So unlike the NGA etc that get their Government funds directly through a Federal budget. appropriation, these bodies need to &#8220;apply&#8221; for Oz Co and State arts grant funding.  To get a fair picture of where Oz Co funding goes, either add in the budget funds to NGA, NLA, Australian Museum etc &#8211; or &#8211; take out the funding provided to each State Symphony Orchestra.  If you wanted to look at State arts budgets, you would need to do the same thing. Each state will support some of its big institutions directly through their budgets while other &#8220;institutions&#8221; like state operas and orchestras need to get their funding as grants through the State arts funding body.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Pastry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr Pastry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 03:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Orchestras and Operas should stand by themselves and compete with other forms of music that do not receive such generous funding.  The impact of the funding is that the audience enjoys subsidised ticket costs and the audience is usually from the higher socioeconimic groups so they really do not need this type of government handout.  Should Briteney Spears tickets be subsided? no a ludicrous thought so why do it with Operea and Orchestras.   If they cannot put bums on seats without funding then they do not need to be around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Orchestras and Operas should stand by themselves and compete with other forms of music that do not receive such generous funding.  The impact of the funding is that the audience enjoys subsidised ticket costs and the audience is usually from the higher socioeconimic groups so they really do not need this type of government handout.  Should Briteney Spears tickets be subsided? no a ludicrous thought so why do it with Operea and Orchestras.   If they cannot put bums on seats without funding then they do not need to be around.</p>
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		<title>By: Tax Payer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tax Payer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 03:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d be really interested to see breakdown of earned income as well. Is it not true that orchestras also have the greatest level of earned income? Also unionised performers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d be really interested to see breakdown of earned income as well. Is it not true that orchestras also have the greatest level of earned income? Also unionised performers?</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Monceaux</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Monceaux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 23:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Opera and Orchestras can eat my ****. If they can&#039;t sustain themselves via subscriptions, philanthropy, ticket sales and through broadening their cloistered, wealthy audiences they don&#039;t deserve such a ridiculous degree of over-compensation. Level the playing field for funding across all artforms and I&#039;ll get off my soapbox! 

Thanks for sharing this shocking abuse of tax-payers&#039; involuntary contributions to closeted culture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Opera and Orchestras can eat my ****. If they can&#8217;t sustain themselves via subscriptions, philanthropy, ticket sales and through broadening their cloistered, wealthy audiences they don&#8217;t deserve such a ridiculous degree of over-compensation. Level the playing field for funding across all artforms and I&#8217;ll get off my soapbox! </p>
<p>Thanks for sharing this shocking abuse of tax-payers&#8217; involuntary contributions to closeted culture.</p>
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